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calling all beings y'all

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can i get it amen from the congregate

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where you at nathan amen hey man

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i'll tell you what welcome back to

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calling all beings i'm your host dj san

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marco on a fantabulous tuesday night

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because my man

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finally decided to come on talk to me

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talk to our show he's brilliant every

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one of you knows him if you're in uf

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hashtag ufo twitter you have seen this

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brother breaking it down with mataloni

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and sweet lou with the great hair and so

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i don't know what you come to do

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yeah oh yeah yeah

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love the hair too by the way

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yeah lou lou jimenez where you at

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brother

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i want to know the secret and i'll tell

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you what

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i'm gonna try

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we're gonna talk to rather

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we realize that he is imperiled his his

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very freedom is at stake

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to give away your hair care products

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secrets but but this is really what we

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want it's the purpose of this podcast

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we'll talk ufos anyway all right so the

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most fascinating topic on planet earth

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bring this man to the forefront man get

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me up give me i get the good looking guy

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yeah thanks for having me i'm uh looking

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forward to this discussion i think it'll

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be a good good time i've been chatting

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with dj for a while now and i'm glad we

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could finally connect

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dj knows everyone he is uh he i just go

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about my day and i get a text from dj or

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a voice message he's like i just talked

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to so and so i'm like how do you talk to

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all these people how do they know you

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and he's just he's everybody known as dj

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which is great

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yeah i mean the worst they can say is no

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oh i'm so sad next lots of people to

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yeah so super excited to have you with

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us today um for those who don't know you

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rather uh you've been creating content

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for a little over a year now i think

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about a year and uh as i've been

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brushing up on your content i've been

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going through your channel and just you

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know really digesting everything but you

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cover so much material uh

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you know yeah you cover i mean i looked

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at you know you're talking ball

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time crystals fast walkers meta

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materials uh you explore the influence

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of technology that the phenomenon may

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have on us and and one thing that i

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bit i really enjoyed that episode a lot

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but really what i mean what got you into

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this topic like how did you get started

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why did you decide to create content

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tell us a little bit about that journey

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other people i imagine it really wasn't

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times article that i really

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started taking it seriously and going

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beyond the you know isn't that a fun

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rabbit hole to go down with uh

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unknowns out there that are yet to be

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every day looking for the follow-up

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there's recovered materials that they

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have stored in a locker somewhere and

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debunkers of the videos that were out

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challenged my thinking you know now

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some question about the validity of this

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evidence yet there's still the

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government doing a completely 180 on

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just such an interesting story and you

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you're a believer or a skeptic it's just

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something weird is going on in this area

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nowhere to go and i think like a lot of

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really really pretty fun you know it's a

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at hand you know the ufo topic and then

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having a a fun time you know i

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kind of kind of when i look for content

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scientific articles i spend a lot of

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time on the right to the you know

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science news channels there and i try to

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take scientific topics and go a little

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bit one step further than the uh

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legitimate scientists might want to take

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discovered with this is that uh because

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we don't maybe live in a world where you

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and have a chat at the local pub or bar

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whatever on on this topic this space is

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space that has traditionally been filled

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podcasting or youtubing in a very kind

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like through the lens of marketing or

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different way to elevate and engage in

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conversation on important topics and

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real life and it's me educating them on

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the topic you know there's no real

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a video game player and i don't know if

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you know you're into video games at all

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long time and uh you know back i mean i

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teenagers who just learned the

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the worst words they could say on the

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internet you know i basically had to go

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community to play with them and so

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know to build the space where i want

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that discussion to be had and to elevate

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this conversation and i don't know if

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you kind of think of it in the same way

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uh or or or if you think about it uh or

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community building uh i would like it to

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be more widespread where you know you

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discuss this topic without getting

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doing my own thing and i'd rather be

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squiddy putting videos out there to

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community building which i thought was

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of like-minded people having engaging

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jimenez and the ucr's when i

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same things and advancing the topic yeah

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i'm not sure where it will go that's

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uh and by the way i had to leave because

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my dogs are obviously are even more

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this is not my real hair

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to make louise jealous but i'll tell you

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what i'm comfortable now i'm going to

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i'm going to be me okay be brave be

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there we go there we go good with or

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without dj beautiful yes

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thank you guys this is a big moment for

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hi luis all right so

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um rather how did you meet these

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gentlemen was this uh uh something where

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you reach out to them they reach out to

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you how did this come about

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yeah um i i wasn't really aware of them

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until the first big phone home which uh

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watched the whole day of it and i saw a

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engage with the whole ufo twitter

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community and a lot of other content

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creators that i wasn't aware of and uh

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the show and uh pretty much whenever i

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think we'll be discussing this person

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ended up coming on doing some more

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impromptu appearances like that and uh

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eventually i started doing the intros

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and uh yeah now i'm there pretty much

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all the time you are a fun place to be

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and by the way uh

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lou elizondo also uh

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said about the need for mick the other

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day so i mean he's got a lot of

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defenders so later on i'll i'll kind of

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give you my points but um more

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importantly you know you talked about

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that about being at the corner bar and

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being able to talk about this

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and i talked to about it to my yoga

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class tonight shout out to yoga teachers

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out there um and uh we spoke a little

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bit about it we spoke about anjali

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they're kind of tracking on them we

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spoke about house resolution but

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something happened this past weekend at

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the behest of nathan

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he said

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you know he was pretty amazed with chris

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lado's resume and what he explained that

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uh on andy's show that it took to do to

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get to the level of pilot that he is

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and i come from the special operations

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community it's totally different we go

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to school as a group of seven two pilots

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a navigator an ewo basically they're

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both navigators one is kind of like a

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subset and then two load masters and one

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flight engineer so you all go to classes

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together you'll split off for specialty

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stuff but you all learn a little about

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one another's job so when you're on the

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airplane you're you are cross-trained to

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some degree in the other person's job

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but

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you're not a single seater like chris

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lato was all he had to depend on was him

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so that's

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unique about the fighter pilot community

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but i called this retired colonel this

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guy retired this year he's very young

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looking he's very young sounding he's

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flying for fedex

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and i called him and said troy my

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partner nathan wants to have you

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on the show and i want

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along with an f-16 guy so we're going to

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talk about the differences about you as

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a special operations command pilot

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and a fighter pilot two totally

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different things

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and i said but i want to warn you we're

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gonna talk ufos okay

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and that was like a huge step for me to

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be able to do that and him not go dj

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yeah uh is good talking to you uh it's

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breaking down

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yeah like literally we talked for i

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would say i didn't track it but over an

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hour

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we spoke about the whole topic about lou

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about everything and that's because he

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wanted to go on the record

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yeah oh he's going to come on the show

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oh wow he's going to come on the show

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and he's new so when nathan asks him a

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question

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he's not been to all these different

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forums and he's only read about lou

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elizondo and some of them were hit

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pieces that he read he has never heard

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him speak

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i provided him with some interviews uh

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three uh two or three interviews so on

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so forth but the point is is that we we

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would not have had that conversation we

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talked about that

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not we would not have had that

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conversation active duty and even now it

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was like i was scared to bring it up

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because what if he said

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like nathan you're breaking up bro you

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know it's good you know good catching up

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dj

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uh in fact

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he was uh he was great so we will have

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him on and you guys will get to hear the

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difference between first of all what it

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takes to get to that level and so when

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we're talking about if we were talking

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quarterbacks you have a pop warner kid

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that's in like sixth grade

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and then you have tom brady so the pop

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warner kid is like me and mick as

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private pilots

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and then you have tom brady

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and so would those two have a a dialogue

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about flight tactics or systems so that

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kind of gives you in order because you

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don't just become one of these guys you

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you have to like it changes your entire

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life from the moment you enter flight

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school your entire life is now

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that so anyway yeah um so i've come out

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now

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yeah well i mean but that then that

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makes me want to ask it's just to say

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wait to offer that to to you rather and

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that's sort of how does this um

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how are you seeing the the discussion

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kind of bleed out from the the the

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confines of the fringe where it's

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traditionally been and and kind of bleed

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into the rest of of of the mainstream

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you know with the effort that you've

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been a part of with the big phone home

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and what kind of impact are we seeing

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and and how do you see this continue to

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grow as this becomes more of a topic

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that we can talk about out in the open

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yeah i mean it's a

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it's a good question you know it seems

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you know from inside the community that

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it is snowballing and getting bigger and

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bigger and it there is definitely some

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evidence of that when you see the you

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know congressional action that they are

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following up on the uap task force and

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they're continuing to take action when

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they could so easily have gone the other

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way right on the same side

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it doesn't seem like there's the

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massive explosion of public interest

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that i would

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think there is right like uh we have

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these amazing things being said we have

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you know the uap task force saying that

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there's unknown things in the air and

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most of the public is

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you know lackluster but yeah brushes it

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off get back to tick tock here yeah have

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you come out though like in other words

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are you able to engage in dialogue with

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everyday people when you're out and

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about with it do you feel comfortable to

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do that

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yeah yeah i mean i i do uh you know i

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was telling a toad story the other other

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day that i was i got a haircut recently

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and i told my you know haircut dresser

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this was before labor day when we were

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going to do the big phone home coming up

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what i was doing on labor day as he uh

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kind of stifled the conversation

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you know didn't have much to say to me

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after that it kind of looked at me a

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little weird so i think that there

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definitely is some stigma there but uh

439
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it's a bizarre thing i feel like most

440
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people haven't still

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been introduced to the latest

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developments right yeah like when i talk

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about it in my peer groups i

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you know mention it and everyone's

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really interested but i have to tell

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them about ella's like no one knows who

447
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elizondo is no one knows who what any of

448
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these developments are but they're very

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interested when i you know tell them

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that you know this right what has really

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been happening uh

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so yeah i i don't really

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i'm at a loss to explain the kind of

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disconnect there between the official

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progress that's being made and the

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still kind of

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the community that with the bubble that

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we're in um i i want to say i'm

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triggered by the fact that you said

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hairdresser and i suspect so is madeloni

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mike

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we're brothers man

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okay uh that aside

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i'm curious on your thoughts on this

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topic because

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i thought of it reading yesterday

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reading some uh ufo twitter tweets where

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individuals

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get extremely conspiratorial

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about uh i they were talking about they

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tweeted dietrich uh alex dietrich our

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friend from vfa41 so that's how the

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topic came up and and they were

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extremely uh it's a government it's a

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high level fake that's been engineered

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to make us think and they're all in on

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it meaning like kevin day and alex and

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gary never mind the the obvious ptsd

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that that that two individuals

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have experienced

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one just seeing it on a radar scope not

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even seeing it in real life and the

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other one's standing on the deck seeing

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it through big eyes and both of them

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have had a reaction

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so um but my question to you and that

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was a long-winded way to ask you

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is this come from a place where

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people we don't know what it is

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and we don't feel safe with a potential

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danger out there that we don't know what

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it is and if we can codify and say well

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obviously you know it must be like a

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government thing and that's what it is

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so there's really nothing to worry about

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is that where that comes from in your

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mind or is there a different explanation

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yeah i mean i think that it's partly

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because of where what the government has

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given us right they've given us these

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insane claims really and then they've

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given us what they tell us is evidence

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that backs up those claims but the

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evidence that they give us

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i don't think really backs up those

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claims so there's a little bit of a

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disconnect there and i think that that

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gives opens the the room that people say

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hey you know i can't i don't really

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believe that this is what you say it is

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there's

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this other

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although it is very convoluted i can see

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that that would actually be possible so

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i'm going to assume that that's what

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happened

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right right so i feel like yeah it's

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just kind of a we need that definitive

519
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evidence where everyone can say

520
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yeah there's no there's no possibility

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of this being an elaborate government

522
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floyd you know this is

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verifiable

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things that are happening and i believe

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that they are happening but i don't

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think that it's

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you know the evidence is 100 there to be

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definitively conclusive

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i'm not sure that exists because without

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without them saying okay here's our

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geospatial uh satellite imagery and

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video where you can see it close up and

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the russians are going oh okay i see

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yeah that's how that okay that's what

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they can see

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and i think that maybe this whole you

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know since 2017 it is kind of a uh a

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regression to the mean right like i

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think that the

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time between the conden report and 2017

541
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were kind of an aberration in our

542
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understanding of the ufo you know

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phenomena

544
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broken trust right yeah

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absolutely

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yeah

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we're like we're re-leveling essentially

548
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we're kind of we're bringing back up to

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where we were before

550
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we're picking that conversation back up

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from where it kind of got dropped

552
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,360
decades ago

553
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,360
and now we're kind of trying to roll it

554
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:01,360
forward and you know what surprises me

555
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:02,960
is the degree to which i think you're

556
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,200
alluding to this the degree to which

557
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,440
the government seems comfortable

558
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,720
allowing

559
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:10,880
this uh sort of

560
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:13,360
space of speculation to fill the vacuum

561
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:16,000
of information that they have that that

562
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,520
is present you know it would be much

563
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,280
easier for them to just say hey we've

564
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,600
looked at this we've looked at 144

565
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,520
sightings and yeah there it's not

566
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,280
there's nothing to see here instead

567
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,640
they've just and said they're like well

568
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:28,480
we don't really know what all of them

569
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:32,240
are except for one uh and and the reason

570
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:33,520
we know that we don't know what they are

571
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,720
but we can't tell you why we don't know

572
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,919
what they are but just take us at our

573
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,000
word and so fill in the blank with

574
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,919
whatever pet theory you have as to like

575
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,919
why we don't understand this

576
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:43,919
and we'll get back to you in maybe i

577
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,640
don't know a quarter maybe in a year

578
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,159
you know some somebody's going to drag

579
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,679
us kicking and screaming to tell you

580
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,520
some more but but you know whatever it's

581
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,400
not rather's grandkids might know rather

582
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:56,080
than kids might see that imagery it's

583
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:57,440
very yeah

584
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,720
not just saying that we don't have the

585
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,000
information they're saying we have the

586
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:01,520
information but we can't show you it so

587
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,240
we can't treat anything imaginable yeah

588
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,039
i i don't know what that i don't know

589
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,440
what that imagery is that they have i've

590
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,159
lou has pointed to that there's several

591
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,919
they don't do single source reporting

592
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:16,159
that there's several different um

593
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:20,000
sources that they've used in addition to

594
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,960
you know

595
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,880
we've spent an enormous amount of money

596
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:25,280
to train these people to get security

597
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,919
clearances on him in the case of uh of

598
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:30,240
probably gary and kevin probably have a

599
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,760
tssci

600
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,320
uh background to work the spy one radar

601
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:36,240
in addition to some of those uh

602
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,720
technicians the e2 guys as well um so

603
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,559
in the absence of app and we've talked

604
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,960
about this on twitter i think just in us

605
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,200
tweeting being in the same chain in the

606
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,360
absence of absolute proof

607
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,200
um you have the

608
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,039
some of the best people in the world at

609
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,440
these specific jobs that have said okay

610
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,679
this is what i saw and that also

611
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,240
corroborates with my face my spy one

612
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,760
phase ray radar

613
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:02,880
and then

614
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,600
uh what the e2 hawkeye saw on there kind

615
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,240
of more like air traffic control radar

616
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:09,360
what

617
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,880
and dave saw with mark one eyeballs as

618
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,799
we call them that's what we call visual

619
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,000
this is obviously called mark one

620
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,640
eyeballs because uh nvgs would be like a

621
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:23,039
mark iii or something and then uh and

622
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,799
then chad underwood so when you put all

623
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,880
those pieces together you say you know

624
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,320
i've got something that i'm i'm

625
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,159
convinced because i don't think all

626
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,640
these people would would lie to me

627
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,799
and they do have a little bit of video

628
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,520
to back it up that uh that they crunched

629
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,039
the math on there and i think lou

630
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,559
actually went into that when he was on

631
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,720
mcquest podcast so

632
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,480
i mean to me it's it's it's very

633
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,640
convincing in the absence of them

634
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,280
showing us classified information yeah

635
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,440
well i mean doesn't this uh speak to the

636
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,280
fact that um

637
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:54,799
i think of this in the way that i think

638
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,679
about technology so more broadly right

639
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,880
so let's say that you have new

640
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,039
technology that's incredibly expensive

641
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,120
incredibly advanced and the you have the

642
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,760
early adopters or the people who can who

643
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,280
who you're going to distribute this

644
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:09,280
technology to it's not everyone and

645
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,799
everyone can can access that and

646
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,000
everyone should be accessing it

647
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,600
particularly if you're testing those

648
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,080
kinds of platforms so this is a concept

649
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:18,960
that you can take to to the military as

650
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:21,679
well that that sensor technology

651
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,320
observational technology as it as it has

652
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,880
become more advanced it has become the

653
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,200
the footprint of that use of technology

654
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,120
has become much broader than it used to

655
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,960
be so instead of someone just a very

656
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,600
small select few people being able to

657
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,440
access censored platforms with that have

658
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,280
such a high degree of fidelity now you

659
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,520
have a lot of people who have access to

660
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,360
these platforms that that are giving

661
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,440
them you know great fidelity in our

662
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,440
operating spaces and so this is not

663
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,120
something that you can just kind of

664
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:50,720
brush to the side anymore because you

665
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,600
have a lot more eyeballs quote unquote

666
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,080
looking at the issue right and so i

667
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,360
think that that

668
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,960
you know you combine that with the fact

669
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,720
that it benefits the government in some

670
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,200
way this is maybe just a pet theory

671
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:04,799
to

672
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,880
public right oh we're gonna go along

673
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,240
this we're gonna go on this journey

674
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,000
together congress is coming along and

675
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,159
we're showing them stuff and you're sure

676
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,159
we're all getting stuff and you know we

677
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,840
don't know much but we're going to learn

678
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,200
we're going to learn together on this

679
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,720
journey and we'll see where it takes us

680
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,159
i don't know rather what do you think

681
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,559
about that take yeah yeah i mean uh the

682
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,360
jwt the james webb space telescope is

683
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:29,039
set to launch at the end of this year

684
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,640
and a lot of people think that that

685
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,080
might be the thing that is going to

686
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,200
detect

687
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,840
alien life alien planets out there so

688
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,080
wow yeah i've you had those thoughts too

689
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:40,480
that maybe this disclosure is

690
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,159
trying to get ahead of the public

691
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,720
discovery right right one once it's

692
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,720
broadcast of the world's eyeballs you

693
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,640
can't really hide it anymore you know

694
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:52,880
but but rather when you look at in the

695
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:56,480
context of of a more profound disclosure

696
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,840
and i want you to juxtapose that against

697
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,360
oh um

698
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,200
everybody stay home from work there's a

699
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:04,799
virus and all of a sudden you can't go

700
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,600
to the dollar store and buy toilet paper

701
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,799
so now let's juxtapose that against

702
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,120
okay they've said that no kidding

703
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,320
they've had all these alien contacts

704
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,320
people are like going i can't even get

705
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:21,120
dental floss next thing you know sure uh

706
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,919
you know

707
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,840
underwear yeah i mean

708
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:26,400
go ahead i have so many questions

709
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,440
yeah it's

710
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,679
there's such a range of possibilities

711
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,440
here when you talk about what disclosure

712
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,320
could be right and i'm more of the

713
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:36,080
status that i i think that it's probably

714
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:37,120
going to be

715
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,320
the government might have more

716
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,320
information about what's going on in the

717
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,400
skies but i don't think that they've

718
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,000
recovered stuff and reverse engineered

719
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,000
stuff and like have a handle on it or i

720
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,799
don't think that they're in contact with

721
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,640
government you know alien societies or

722
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:51,840
anything like that

723
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,039
and in lieu of any of that stuff

724
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,880
i think that disclosure isn't going to

725
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,120
be that impactful for society because

726
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,679
presumably this has been going on right

727
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,960
around us for

728
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,440
forever right so it's sure wait rather

729
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,960
did you see that guy at the at the

730
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,559
convenience store paying with toilet

731
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,480
paper he goes up with toilet paper and

732
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,640
he's ripping pieces off and paying for

733
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,120
his like his energy drink and stuff come

734
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,440
on well if there's any hint that you

735
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,600
know yeah the aliens have a uh a

736
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,000
timeline on our city you know they're

737
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,320
we have 40 years left before the aliens

738
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,000
come and invade and i think that yeah

739
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,679
yeah

740
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,520
will be very valuable but

741
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,039
no but i mean so you don't think there'd

742
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,440
be any more of a reaction than than

743
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:36,240
kovit had in your opinion

744
00:27:32,830 --> 00:26:37,279
i

745
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,840
whatever or youtube

746
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,440
so yeah but

747
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,440
i mean if this is the aliens landing on

748
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,039
the white house lounge or the aliens

749
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,120
actually having

750
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,760
new you know interactions with us then i

751
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,520
i agree that it would be society

752
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,000
changing and crazy but if it's just you

753
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,760
know here are the actual photos of these

754
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,919
things that we still haven't discovered

755
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,360
yeah i think it'll

756
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,720
be awesome but

757
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,640
i'll tell you where i'm at like because

758
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,480
it's not too far off of where you're at

759
00:28:03,990 --> 00:27:59,840
i think

760
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,000
they have recovered things i don't think

761
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,320
they've reversed engineered anything i

762
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,240
don't think there's anything that you

763
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:11,279
would see flying a you know past jazz

764
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,480
shaw's house

765
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,640
uh with him standing with his iphone

766
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,720
that we've reverse engineered and that's

767
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:18,000
based on

768
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,279
a study

769
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,200
of powered flight and you guys have

770
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:23,120
heard me say it a million times about

771
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,919
how

772
00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:26,159
powered flight happens and then what

773
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,320
these are doing that is so

774
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,440
extraordinarily different

775
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,520
than what we've been taught

776
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,600
that the um

777
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,080
process of powered flight through

778
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,760
bernoulli's theorem

779
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,799
through

780
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,679
newton's laws of motion etc and those i

781
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,240
could apply those to several principles

782
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,080
of how an airplane flies and these

783
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,159
things are just like oh piss on all that

784
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,760
we don't need any of that it's not even

785
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,080
the same paradigm yeah yeah so i think

786
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:56,000
dave and nathan i'm going to

787
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,919
have you go next on that i think they

788
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:59,279
have recovered

789
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,320
stuff

790
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,320
um i think

791
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:04,880
lockheed martin or these contractors

792
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,159
have material but not an actual full

793
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,159
craft or anything that approaches a full

794
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,320
craft if you've seen bigelow aerospace

795
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,399
you see that literally you can drive

796
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,480
right up to the perimeter fence but when

797
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,039
you see area 51 you have a place that in

798
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,120
first of all you can't even fly over fly

799
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,559
nathan's heard this

800
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,880
you you can't without the proper squawk

801
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,279
and call sign you can't even approach it

802
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,039
without being intercepted by fighter

803
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:31,919
squadrons out of nellis so

804
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,200
if i wanted to hide something anything

805
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,799
i would hide it there and people would

806
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,799
say well nobody government can't keep

807
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,799
secrets so that's not a thing and so

808
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:43,120
then i respond to them okay what was the

809
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,559
flight test programs where they were

810
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,039
running at area 51 last year

811
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,960
and they'll and you could bring anybody

812
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,039
you want that you've ever had on ucr

813
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,039
singularity lab ask them this question

814
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,200
they're going to say i don't know okay

815
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:57,200
what was the 2018

816
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,720
flight programs that were running at

817
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,320
area 51

818
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,840
they're going to go i don't know and

819
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,679
then i'm going to say see you don't know

820
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:05,520
what's going on there it's the perfect

821
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,590
out west there that's where it's going

822
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,679
to be hiding sure because nobody can get

823
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,240
to it can't drive to it can't fly to it

824
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,000
can't fly over it

825
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,679
can't even take a good satellite photo

826
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:20,960
because they're blinding you when you

827
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,480
fly over over top of the place

828
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,600
interesting

829
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,279
go ahead and love to be a fly on the

830
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,760
wall there yeah

831
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:31,039
that's the place

832
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,240
well i mean

833
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,240
to me i mean what

834
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,159
does our cosmology or our way of

835
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,080
thinking about the universe here have to

836
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,559
kind of catch up to

837
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,159
what what

838
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:45,200
know it's kind of interesting right

839
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,559
because in in in human history uh we've

840
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:51,200
actually had a very um a much more open

841
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,480
cosmology to uh

842
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,320
non-earth based you know intelligence as

843
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,640
the gods and goddesses and the mythology

844
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,480
that you see there but we've drifted

845
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,960
away from that to to a scientism and you

846
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,960
know materialism and we've kind of

847
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,559
eschewed those things

848
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,720
and in some respects maybe we're coming

849
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,279
back around to this notion that you know

850
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,039
we're not we're not the center of the

851
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,039
universe we're not we're not unique we

852
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,120
are probably kind of small and there

853
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,200
might be very intelligent very more

854
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,200
powerful things that are out there we

855
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:22,960
just haven't yet you know stumbled

856
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,360
across them yet so maybe it's kind of

857
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,039
we're going through a reawakening of

858
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,279
this awareness that that is necessary

859
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:31,919
and to some degree for us to be able to

860
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:35,200
collectively focus on this topic again

861
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,559
yeah i mean it happens happens

862
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,080
throughout human history right where we

863
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,840
uh think that we're the center of things

864
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,600
and we turn out we're not i think that

865
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,039
probably the next

866
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,880
cosmological understanding we're gonna

867
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,519
have is that the universe here

868
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,480
isn't

869
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,039
a single universe and yeah you know we

870
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,880
might not be our universe might not be

871
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,440
special yeah there's scientists who are

872
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:57,840
saying that in 50 100 years we're

873
00:32:02,950 --> 00:31:59,919
literally going to be going to be able

874
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,960
to create new universes create big bangs

875
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,399
in our super

876
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:06,880
particle accelerators wow and if if that

877
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,519
is possible then that kind of implies

878
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,679
that it's it's might be living in one of

879
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,480
those universes right

880
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,000
that already happened on angels and

881
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,480
demons i saw it man

882
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,320
yeah or simulation hypothesis here a

883
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:22,240
little bit in some respects right it's

884
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:23,519
already happened

885
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,960
yeah

886
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,080
an interesting thing you know they have

887
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,760
some people think that it's like a

888
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:31,200
running in a computer like an

889
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:33,200
abstraction of reality but yeah it could

890
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,720
literally be creating a new reality in a

891
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,720
test tube so to speak

892
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,720
that is scary man we can recreate so

893
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,720
you're saying we could recreate earth

894
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,480
with another big bang but we don't know

895
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,039
what state it would be in a different

896
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,559
dimension or different a different

897
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,480
universe it would be enacted it would be

898
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,720
created from our universe but exist in

899
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,240
another place is that what i'm hearing

900
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,320
you say yeah exactly you create it and

901
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,240
there's a little mini black hole and

902
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,240
beyond that event horizon there's a

903
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:03,039
literally a new big bang uh they

904
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,399
theorize that that

905
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,880
black hole would vaporize instantly so

906
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,799
then the universe would be disconnected

907
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,360
from ours but maybe you could turn that

908
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,600
black hole into a wormhole and

909
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,240
and visit it somehow or or examine it or

910
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,080
take a you know just like just like we

911
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,240
take a microscope and we peer down and

912
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,480
into you know tiny objects maybe that's

913
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,799
what we're seeing with ufos maybe

914
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,039
they're really like literal lenses that

915
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,559
are being injected into our 3d space

916
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,320
from a higher dimensional plane and they

917
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,919
just look like you know

918
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:35,519
saucers but they're really like

919
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,080
examination lenses from

920
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,600
another device

921
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,279
oh yeah that's a that's an interesting

922
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,399
thought

923
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,720
is is this the most fascinating aspect

924
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:47,279
of the phenomenon for you and if not

925
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:50,240
what is the one that really just like

926
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,679
fascinated because i think you guys can

927
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,600
figure out what it is for me but for you

928
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,600
what's the most fascinating one

929
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,080
aspect of it

930
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,360
yeah i feel like just you know the

931
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,000
question of what is life the origins of

932
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,159
life and what life means are kind of the

933
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,640
you know the big questions and if are we

934
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:09,280
are we alone or you know if

935
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,639
are there others it seems like there

936
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,919
should be others where are they right

937
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,760
kind of the fermi paradox i

938
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,919
find those questions fascinating

939
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,159
are they here or they're not from here

940
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,960
or both

941
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,639
are they from here like

942
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,720
are they earthlings but of a different

943
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,359
race or different i i'm kind of partial

944
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,000
to the uh von neumann uh probe theory

945
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,599
where they're you know they're probably

946
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,639
ai probe that are going to star systems

947
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,560
and replicating and going often other

948
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,800
star systems and exponentially exploring

949
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:40,879
the galaxy

950
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,800
so so you're are you um okay with the

951
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,480
theory about

952
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,560
that uh when experiencers say they've

953
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,599
taken my eggs they've taken my

954
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:54,480
semen or sperm or something like do you

955
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,280
think that there is any race that is

956
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,880
trying to cr

957
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:01,520
create some sort of a hybrid being

958
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,400
yeah

959
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,520
when we go to

960
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,599
abduction tales and stuff like that is

961
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:08,079
where i start to

962
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,520
really not

963
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,160
i don't know what to think right like uh

964
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,000
it's

965
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,599
part of you know my i'll be honest you

966
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,320
know my inclination is that i

967
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,839
tend not to

968
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,520
totally believe stuff like that that

969
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,280
they happen as they happen i don't

970
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,800
believe that most of these people are

971
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,480
telling lies but

972
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,640
i think that it's possible that there's

973
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:30,400
conscious effects that are going on and

974
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,400
if it is a consciousness alteration

975
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,240
maybe that's you know there's definitely

976
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,079
more to consciousness than we that we

977
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:40,320
know right that's a huge unknown as well

978
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,280
and it's

979
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:43,760
not clear if that's related at all to

980
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,440
the ets and the ufos or or not

981
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,400
um

982
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,480
and so yeah i think there's just so many

983
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,240
and that's the abduction tales and stuff

984
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:54,800
that are things that are just purely

985
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,960
consciousness-based there's

986
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,960
so hard to nail that down and actually

987
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,280
get evidence that you can

988
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,839
you know confidently say this is what

989
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,040
happened

990
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,960
i just got a text from anjali she's

991
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,320
wanting to know if you want to join the

992
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,400
expedition she's like

993
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,079
he's got to tell me his real name but i

994
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,760
wanted

995
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,280
to this guy yeah i don't know i think

996
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,800
i'd be a little scared to go into that

997
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:18,800
cave with uh with that group

998
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,920
yeah i would be scared too but i'd go

999
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:23,440
won't you go

1000
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,430
do you think that

1001
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,880
let's say it

1002
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,560
i'll ask you two questions i've asked

1003
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,880
nathan this question

1004
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,520
if you went and you actually encountered

1005
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,200
them you know and let's say you didn't

1006
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,760
have the long six-hour version that that

1007
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,680
anjali had but let's say you you had a

1008
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,079
meet and greet basically and a a

1009
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,800
telepathic convo do you think you would

1010
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,480
be the same person when you got back to

1011
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:55,040
your house or apartment

1012
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,400
you know honestly i think that if that

1013
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,320
happened to me it'd be i don't even know

1014
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,560
if seeing would be believing for me i i

1015
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,800
you know i saw the stephen cambrian

1016
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,000
truth seekers talk where they were

1017
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,440
talking about potential dmt

1018
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,480
doping you know like that i i would

1019
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,880
be you know i yeah i do a lot of go i

1020
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,160
wouldn't be the same person i think to

1021
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,760
answer your question i would go home and

1022
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,440
do a lot of soul searching to try to

1023
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,800
determine

1024
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,440
if that is all actually real you know

1025
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,599
even if i saw it because that'd be a lot

1026
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,720
to take in

1027
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:26,400
but we're finally interested that we

1028
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,440
find them

1029
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,040
so good well we find a lot of

1030
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,119
experiencers i think go through that

1031
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,960
very same thought process you know that

1032
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,320
they're looking for

1033
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,040
anything they can find to discredit what

1034
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,320
they experienced to to place it firmly

1035
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,200
in the realm of of psychological

1036
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,440
uh you know some sort of conscious you

1037
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,920
know aberration um as opposed to it

1038
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,000
being real and i think what probably

1039
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,200
gets pretty uh disturbing i mean i can i

1040
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,720
can't i'm not an experience for myself i

1041
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,720
can only assume but you know once they

1042
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,640
are starting to hear those stories from

1043
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,000
other people

1044
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,160
and there are some similarities to their

1045
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,160
story i mean that i would imagine

1046
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,359
becomes pretty earth-shattering

1047
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,440
but you could even then still say well

1048
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,839
this is something unique about human

1049
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,160
biology that there is something going on

1050
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,720
that triggers just like a dnt trip may

1051
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,520
trigger similar experiences you know an

1052
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:21,280
experience that that i had that they had

1053
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,400
as well

1054
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,000
the voice you're hearing right there is

1055
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,520
that of my co-host the amazing at a wave

1056
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,839
soul nathan you'll find him on twitter

1057
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,240
our special guest tonight is the man

1058
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,800
known as rather be squidding and i of

1059
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,800
course i'm your beleaguered co-host dj

1060
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,920
san marco who is now hairless i see you

1061
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:40,720
mike

1062
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,440
um

1063
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,640
all your glory

1064
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,079
so yeah

1065
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,599
yeah this is me

1066
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,680
um but rather

1067
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,119
that that was very interesting what you

1068
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,960
said i don't know if that stimulated

1069
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:54,720
nathan the way that it did me but you

1070
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,839
said if i saw it i don't know if i'd

1071
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,960
believe it

1072
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,720
yeah i mean like

1073
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,960
optical illusions and and just the the

1074
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,320
brain makes

1075
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,079
places touch on you right

1076
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,839
touch

1077
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:11,520
because and i say this because i

1078
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,960
projected i that first of all i i would

1079
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,640
just do anything to be able to go on

1080
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,560
this mission despite the fact that it

1081
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,320
might ruin my wife has actually claimed

1082
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,960
me to do this um i would i want to like

1083
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,680
bro handshake uh every single one of

1084
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,760
them that i that i encounter like as

1085
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,920
soon as i come in the room just like say

1086
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,920
can i approach you for a human gesture

1087
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:34,000
you know this kind of thing but would

1088
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,119
would touch

1089
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,880
i think maybe

1090
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,720
a selfie with all of them i think you

1091
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,400
know some sort of physical evidence to

1092
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:42,720
bring back you gotta have an iphone 12

1093
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,760
come on yeah yeah come on rather don't

1094
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,400
you know can you be like uh you know

1095
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,720
more post modern than that

1096
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,720
you touch i touched it that wasn't

1097
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,040
enough i had to have a self

1098
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,280
yeah but it's true though it's like some

1099
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,160
sort of additional data objective

1100
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,480
check on your own reality okay okay so

1101
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,960
that so you're saying that you think

1102
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,200
that there is a

1103
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,839
see and and it you know do you think i

1104
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,000
haven't thought about the fact that if i

1105
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:14,319
did go out there i would bring my own

1106
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:15,599
camel back

1107
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,200
with with with both electrolyte uh film

1108
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:21,839
pouch and water because i wouldn't drink

1109
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,280
at wayne's house

1110
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:27,839
yeah i mean not that there'd be anything

1111
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,359
necessarily uh sinister but i wouldn't

1112
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,119
be like oh yeah let's have a chance

1113
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,960
there could be natural chemicals in the

1114
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,880
water that you know like that are

1115
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,480
causing some weird stuff you know

1116
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,280
there's

1117
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,440
it could be anything but believe me i've

1118
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,839
already mentally packed my backpack with

1119
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,599
enough hydration that i'm not going to

1120
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,960
need to accept

1121
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:49,359
any any gifts from anybody but i have

1122
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,790
i'd rather be spelunking in this case uh

1123
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,160
but no i

1124
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,920
i th that's that is really interesting

1125
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,400
though so but let's say you were lucid

1126
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,920
aware that wayne hadn't given you uh

1127
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,000
that that you know ten dollar bottle of

1128
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,520
barefoot uh you know red table wine from

1129
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,920
whole foods and and you proceeded out

1130
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,800
there uh uh let's say unnourished by

1131
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,359
anybody else anything you didn't pack in

1132
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,720
with that

1133
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,400
you know would that shift to paradigm

1134
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,000
where you're like okay i trust myself

1135
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,750
you know i

1136
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,680
it's hard for me to put myself in that

1137
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,280
hypothetical right because it just seems

1138
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,680
so so out there for me you know i but it

1139
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:37,359
reminds me of you know the funny show i

1140
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,480
don't know if you've ever seen like

1141
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,520
scare tactics it's a prank show where

1142
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,920
they set up elaborate things and they

1143
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,040
have like

1144
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,200
they'll dress people up as aliens and

1145
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,440
stuff and have them you know jump out

1146
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,440
and scare them in these

1147
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,160
crazy situations that they engineer

1148
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,319
and yeah you know

1149
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,079
i would assume that you know probably

1150
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,520
something like that you could visually

1151
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,240
tell if it's real or not but right yeah

1152
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,839
i think it's you know like telepathic

1153
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,040
communication and stuff like that i

1154
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:08,000
guess if that happened that would

1155
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,960
com

1156
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,720
i'm not saying i would go there and see

1157
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,079
a bunch of stuff and then say oh that's

1158
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,680
all fake but i would

1159
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,839
it would it would definitely cross your

1160
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,520
whole belief system i wouldn't know what

1161
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,280
to think you know i it would which is

1162
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,599
okay that's what we're here to do but uh

1163
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,280
to challenge our belief systems and i'm

1164
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,720
going to turn it over to nathan but i

1165
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,720
just want to say one more thing because

1166
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,520
i did have a sighting andy mcgrillen has

1167
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,440
had i think two sightings over in

1168
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,400
scotland and all i can tell you is and i

1169
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,280
was only 14 so i wasn't trained observer

1170
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,480
dj with flying hours i was you know been

1171
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,160
up in a helicopter in an airplane once

1172
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,000
in my life when i saw this but what i

1173
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,560
want to tell you is when you see it

1174
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,960
and you see it clearly and you kind of

1175
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:51,520
know what you're looking for you know it

1176
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,560
you're like okay i know it based on

1177
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,960
different characteristics you just know

1178
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,200
it even if i you know i had never been

1179
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,359
to pilot license or flight school or any

1180
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:02,880
of that stuff

1181
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,560
you just see it and you know it and andy

1182
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,599
saw what andy saw that with his family

1183
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,400
like a a ferris wheel looking spinning

1184
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:13,599
wheel thing that right uh nathan came

1185
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,960
close came came close to the ground

1186
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,560
i mean

1187
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,880
okay what the is that

1188
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,880
nathan i'm sorry go ahead man no no it's

1189
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,160
crazy um

1190
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,240
when you see it you'll know it obviously

1191
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,480
is a powerful imprint um

1192
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,640
yeah i you mentioned vondelmann probes

1193
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,800
and i i've absolutely entertained that

1194
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:34,880
idea that seems like a plot like based

1195
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,520
on how we would approach exploration of

1196
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,680
the cosmos this makes a lot of sense to

1197
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,680
us and seems very practical

1198
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,160
um there's a book i'll i'll sort of plug

1199
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,680
if anybody likes science fiction i'll

1200
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,520
plug this book it's i think it touches

1201
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,839
on this topic and and brings to light a

1202
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,440
lot of these experiences but it's called

1203
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,880
the baba verse

1204
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,440
and uh it's a very humorous kind of

1205
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,599
sci-fi but the whole

1206
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,359
book and it's like a trilogy i want to

1207
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,960
say three or four books but it's based

1208
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,960
on von neumann probes and he a human who

1209
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,560
basically becomes an a

1210
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,319
um

1211
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,000
simulated intelligence he you know he

1212
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,319
dies that in the brain they transcribe

1213
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,240
that into a vondema probe and he gets

1214
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,240
jettisoned into the universe and you

1215
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:16,800
follow his journeys as he basically like

1216
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,079
explores the cosmos but in part of those

1217
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,839
explorations and i'm going to insert a

1218
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,760
quick spoiler alert here if you haven't

1219
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,440
read it and and want to read it you know

1220
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,560
just block out the next couple of

1221
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,319
minutes but one of the things that he

1222
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:31,119
does is he encounters other um life

1223
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,000
forms

1224
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,520
and i'm not giving too much away here

1225
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,400
but he tries to uh essentially like

1226
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,440
create

1227
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,760
um you know uh

1228
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,079
uh machines that look like those life

1229
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,920
forms so that he can have interactions

1230
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,119
with them

1231
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,920
um so that so that he's not a human uh

1232
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,680
you know sort of cyborg or whatever

1233
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,599
whatever machine he looks like one of

1234
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,240
them and can walk among them and have

1235
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,400
interactions with them and they're not

1236
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,920
you know they're none the wiser right

1237
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,760
but he you know he does this with sort

1238
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,880
of a pre um like a you know kind of a

1239
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:05,040
stone age civilization and like is able

1240
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,920
to like

1241
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,839
give them a little bit of technology and

1242
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,119
i mean you think about this and you're

1243
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,440
like oh you know this is exactly

1244
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,119
what's happening with us right i mean

1245
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,880
you just don't know it could be that

1246
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:17,599
very same thing um where

1247
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,640
you know there is no distinction between

1248
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,880
you know what we would call biology and

1249
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,720
what an advanced technology would be

1250
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,359
able to create

1251
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,680
nathan i want to plug i want to plug a

1252
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,119
book too i don't know

1253
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,880
so i just want to show this this book

1254
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,560
just came out i was at the bookstore

1255
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,960
yesterday uh it's written by british guy

1256
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,280
i heard that this one's really good i

1257
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:41,520
haven't started it yet

1258
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:42,319
yeah

1259
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,000
i'd give it a look i've heard good

1260
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,560
things yeah yeah oh so you know someone

1261
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,280
that's ready yeah okay all right so i

1262
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,960
just want to put that out for i don't

1263
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:52,400
think it's ufo based but i haven't

1264
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,630
i mean do you see the ridiculousness

1265
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,359
that you signed up here for rather

1266
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:03,680
i mean

1267
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,839
this it's only once for you now we'll

1268
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,960
get mad

1269
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,040
we'll have the whole trio you know we'll

1270
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,200
annoy you guys just once each but you

1271
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,400
think about like you know you think

1272
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,000
about the tic tac right let's talk it's

1273
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:17,920
kind of a segue to that

1274
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,000
encounter and we've talked about this dj

1275
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,839
but the sort of characteristics the

1276
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,839
characteristics of the tic tac

1277
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,800
um

1278
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,599
in in how it kind of mimics a little bit

1279
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,160
of the behavior of the fighter pilots in

1280
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,160
a way that is like um kind of some like

1281
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,720
human gamesmanship it's almost like okay

1282
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,920
like i know what you're doing i'm going

1283
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,160
to come up and see you you see me

1284
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,839
oh you cool you can do this i can do

1285
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,760
that too and then you know boom let me

1286
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,839
show you what i can really do hahaha now

1287
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,680
i'm over here at this place that you you

1288
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,079
planned on being you know how how did i

1289
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,920
know this now these are all these are

1290
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,160
like little games that it's playing uh

1291
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,400
with with us and you think about uh the

1292
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,359
stories of um you know where where john

1293
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,280
keel talks about you know past

1294
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,520
encounters of of creatures or aliens

1295
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,440
that you know are airships and these are

1296
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,520
all very contextualized

1297
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,480
uh experiences that people recount that

1298
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,720
seem to change over time and that to me

1299
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,040
lends to this idea that there is an

1300
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,440
intelligence maybe an ai maybe a higher

1301
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,800
intelligence that's just kind of

1302
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,000
mimicking

1303
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,520
like when it gets caught out is

1304
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,640
mimicking

1305
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:23,200
to some degree the humans that are

1306
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,720
encountering it

1307
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:26,559
i always think about that

1308
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,839
yeah

1309
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,079
i get that good theory as well right

1310
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,160
like it but it seems like it's not

1311
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,240
necessarily trying to engage and

1312
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,200
communicate with us right which is weird

1313
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,040
but it definitely does seem to be

1314
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,680
reactive and yeah so that the tic tac

1315
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,280
encounter in particular

1316
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:45,599
going to the cap point which is

1317
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,800
hard to to explain but yeah

1318
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,480
if you go with a von neumann probe type

1319
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,559
explanation yeah maybe it is

1320
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,520
some sort of algorithm that it's

1321
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,960
detecting the

1322
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:58,400
i guess they probably didn't have nukes

1323
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,200
on the

1324
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,760
jets but maybe detecting some sort of

1325
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,400
radar signature and

1326
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,680
yeah just trying trying to keep a

1327
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,440
minimum distance or something like that

1328
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,559
and that's

1329
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:10,960
you know this is programming yeah i

1330
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,480
actually had a discussion with ryan um

1331
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,400
help me out with his name

1332
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,200
graves ryan graves no no the uh the the

1333
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,960
the playwright

1334
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,119
from new york uh that has us somewhere

1335
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,960
in the sky greg right right that's right

1336
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,040
yes uh i had a little conversation with

1337
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,400
ryan sprague post his interview with um

1338
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,680
chris lato

1339
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,079
and we talked about that a little bit

1340
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,559
and lou actually pushes back on what

1341
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,280
nathan's assertion is but nobody knows

1342
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,920
nation nathan's hypothesis is as good as

1343
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,720
anybody's right now as far as uh what

1344
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,800
kind of intelligence that

1345
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,200
that that craft uh is operating with or

1346
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,920
whether it's merely mimicking but but

1347
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:53,760
here's a point that came up that chris

1348
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,400
lato discussed with um

1349
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,640
with reinspreg

1350
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,720
so we have jamming you know that

1351
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,880
occurred and and you have the little

1352
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,160
bars they said on the side of their

1353
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,000
scope they're doing this indicating

1354
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:07,839
jamming he pointed out that the

1355
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,960
telemetry on the or the symbology

1356
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:12,960
on the screen indicated they had no

1357
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,920
ranging information no azimuth no

1358
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,040
altitude on that target so so they're

1359
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,720
targeting radar they're at flare they're

1360
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,640
targeting radars confused

1361
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,319
and what i find

1362
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,119
fascinating chris's hypothesis is that

1363
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,680
this could be and again his hypothesis

1364
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,760
is as good as anybody's at this point

1365
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,400
could be that that is a function of the

1366
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,240
propulsion system causing

1367
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,559
electromagnetic interference

1368
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,440
that it is causing a jam

1369
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,680
what i'll tell you what's interesting

1370
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,240
about this to me is if you take a world

1371
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,960
a world war two radar you guys know that

1372
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,800
you would see little blips on a screen

1373
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,400
you'd have some range rings on that

1374
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,800
screen and so mathematically if you saw

1375
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,440
it go between five miles and ten miles

1376
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:59,200
and how many you know stopwatch you can

1377
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,319
calculate

1378
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,400
the speed of an object so a lot of it

1379
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,599
was on the radar operators experience

1380
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,920
and interpretation of the size of the

1381
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,559
return that he's getting and then the

1382
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,880
behavior that return the speed of that

1383
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,680
return if it's in a v formation with

1384
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,480
other

1385
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,720
so you know oh okay the japanese are

1386
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,000
coming to pearl harbor et cetera et

1387
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,160
cetera right that's that's what a radar

1388
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:23,839
operator did now

1389
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,040
we have what's called like spcs a signal

1390
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,079
processing computer so that radar that

1391
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,880
radar beam that energy goes out it hits

1392
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,119
an object it comes back

1393
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,359
so there's a receiver transmitter so

1394
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,520
receive transmit and when it receives it

1395
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,240
it processes that signal and based on

1396
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,760
the algorithm and the computing uh the

1397
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,160
logic of it if you will to use a even

1398
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,040
simpler term it figures out okay this is

1399
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,359
what this is and that's what displays

1400
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,839
all that information on their essay page

1401
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,200
in this case

1402
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,359
it was blank it didn't give them ranging

1403
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,119
information it didn't give them target

1404
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,160
azimuth it didn't give them uh

1405
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,720
its velocity all these sorts of uh

1406
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:08,800
information that they would get

1407
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,160
and so it interpreted that as a jam

1408
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,200
and that to me is really fascinating and

1409
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,880
and then you know chris goes on to talk

1410
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,520
about what emitters look like like chris

1411
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,240
and i could look at any fighter aircraft

1412
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,480
and if it had radar jamming i know what

1413
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,240
i'm looking for on that aircraft and i

1414
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,160
could say there's their emitters that's

1415
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,760
their radar jammers

1416
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,920
this smooth

1417
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,000
object had none of that

1418
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,400
so what is that was that

1419
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,880
them trying to jam us

1420
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,760
or was that just a function of their

1421
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,240
propulsion system interfering with our

1422
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,280
radar was that purposeful i i pose that

1423
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,880
to you guys

1424
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,480
yeah my hunch is that it's not

1425
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,839
purposeful right that it is probably

1426
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,119
just a side effect of whatever

1427
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,960
propulsion method it is which kind of

1428
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,800
makes me a little bit uh alarmed when i

1429
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,720
do hear i mean i think it's a very

1430
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,240
interesting fact that's kind of immersed

1431
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,920
in the last couple months but it does

1432
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:03,599
concern me when i hear people say oh

1433
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,400
they're

1434
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:06,319
jamming our radars that's a sign that

1435
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:07,280
they're

1436
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,319
aggressive or you know

1437
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,079
okay so let me take it a step further

1438
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:14,160
nathan before you answer because you can

1439
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,520
answer both but

1440
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,800
okay did it have the ability to jam the

1441
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,960
phased array radar which is a totally

1442
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:21,920
different

1443
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,920
frequency and we don't know what that is

1444
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,000
the spy one radar did it have the

1445
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,040
ability to jam that and not jam it or

1446
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,119
did it decide that that

1447
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,920
radar sweep was not a threat and go

1448
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,079
ahead nathan you first and then well and

1449
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,599
i don't i mean i'm maybe not familiar

1450
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,119
with the with the techno technological

1451
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,520
differences but my my rudimentary

1452
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,200
understanding of the two different

1453
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,240
technologies are that the phased array

1454
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,520
is uh you know like a collection of um

1455
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,520
think of them like little diodes or leds

1456
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:55,040
or whatever but it's you know

1457
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,319
an array

1458
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,240
they use it for a reason of these

1459
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,559
sensors it shoots out all these uh

1460
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,240
frequencies and then the frequencies you

1461
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,079
know come back and it processes that

1462
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,200
information it's not it's a very um like

1463
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,880
broad-based uh

1464
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,520
uh sort of sensor platform whereas when

1465
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,040
you're on the fighter jet you know

1466
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,119
you're you're literally like pointing in

1467
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,760
a specific direction you're you're it's

1468
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,160
a very targeted as you said it's a it's

1469
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,800
an encoded frequency that bounces off

1470
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,720
targets and is high energy as long as

1471
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,280
that code returns to the fighter in the

1472
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,040
same way that it came back with the same

1473
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,680
algorithmic you know structure it knows

1474
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,160
that it's uh you know friend not not foe

1475
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,839
or whatever if it's if it comes back

1476
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,400
distorted in any way then that that's

1477
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,680
how it knows this is you know enemy um

1478
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,920
so yeah i tend to side with rather i

1479
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,760
think this is probably just a byproduct

1480
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:46,720
of

1481
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,760
happens to operate but i guess for me

1482
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,599
all of this raises larger questions

1483
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:54,720
which is

1484
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,240
you know are these what what what does

1485
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,160
it mean you know what so i i think it's

1486
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,599
a fascinating story and i think the

1487
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,920
nimitz is like the the greatest story

1488
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,079
about how you can have this conversation

1489
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,880
in an intelligible way in you know in in

1490
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,440
in the public space it's not just uh oh

1491
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:13,119
i saw this thing it's like you know

1492
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:14,000
you've got

1493
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,119
government back you know several

1494
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,640
government people back backing up this

1495
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:22,800
is anomalous like it's the perfect story

1496
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,520
to try to like bring this discussion out

1497
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:27,920
into the mainstream right

1498
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,280
and we also are hearing uh from from

1499
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:32,640
several different people different

1500
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,000
sources that uh our pilots are

1501
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,760
encountering these things on a near

1502
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,200
daily basis

1503
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,680
uh in certain fields of operation so but

1504
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,520
we're not told about those specific

1505
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,160
instances like what you know visual data

1506
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,520
we have whatever we know that we we

1507
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:49,200
understand that they are happening and

1508
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,280
so for me this frequency of interaction

1509
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,680
it only makes me think that it's

1510
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,440
happening for a reason there's some

1511
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,359
reason why this is

1512
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,119
increasing and that's either like we now

1513
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,359
have the ability just to recognize we're

1514
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,359
aware that they're around us or that

1515
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,599
they literally are more around us than

1516
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,559
they were before and but but all that to

1517
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,599
say is

1518
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,440
you know what what does it ultimately

1519
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,520
mean and rather where do you think this

1520
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,599
is going where do you think we're gonna

1521
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,359
you know i've heard lou say you know if

1522
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:21,200
if you wanted something hit right away

1523
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,559
you need to go take a hobby it's going

1524
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,720
to be five years you know i take that

1525
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,319
very seriously you know i take that very

1526
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,240
seriously um that's from a man who knows

1527
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,480
more than way more than i do so you know

1528
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:32,000
where do we think we're going here with

1529
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,200
this topic

1530
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,119
he knows way more than any of us do by

1531
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,079
the way unless you're inside of a rogue

1532
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,880
special access program that's

1533
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,160
we don't want to go down that rabbit

1534
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,319
hole but he other than that he he knows

1535
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,079
more than anybody does that's in the

1536
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,599
public space

1537
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,480
yeah

1538
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,640
i it's hard to say right like i think

1539
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:51,760
that there's

1540
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,480
a strong possibility that the real

1541
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,799
answer is literally unknowable

1542
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,040
like if it is interdimensional beings or

1543
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,960
interventional entities

1544
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,040
and they can go literally into our

1545
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,119
reality and out on a whim

1546
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,599
how are we ever going to nail that down

1547
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,200
right we're on their terms

1548
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,520
yeah yeah so that's kind of

1549
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,520
is my pessimistic side that we might be

1550
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,280
studying these forever and never know on

1551
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,599
the other end i think that

1552
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,280
we might just be you know one

1553
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,040
announcement away from a big big

1554
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:23,760
revelation um and i think like something

1555
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,280
like that might be uh you know you talk

1556
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:27,520
about recovered materials kind of what

1557
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,839
my favorite hypothesis is

1558
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:31,680
that they are van newman probes and

1559
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,480
they're

1560
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,480
collecting material and replicating

1561
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,640
themselves but they go maybe into our

1562
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,079
oceans and collect a bunch of stuff and

1563
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,520
they come out and they

1564
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,440
poop out the elements and the materials

1565
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:43,520
that they don't want and those come down

1566
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,160
as little and we see them in the air you

1567
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,920
know occasionally dropping down and it's

1568
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,359
like what the hell there's these orbs

1569
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:51,200
that are dropping liquid metal that's

1570
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,240
been reported in numerous you know ufo

1571
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,240
encounters right we go and we pick up

1572
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:57,680
these metal blobs and we think that

1573
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,480
they're

1574
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:00,400
have some crazy great you know we're

1575
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,520
going to be able to reverse engineer

1576
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,839
this tech from it and we end up studying

1577
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:06,400
alien poop for 70 years

1578
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,870
i love it if they came out of the labs

1579
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,559
and said yeah here's this chunk of metal

1580
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,480
it fell from the sky we can't figure out

1581
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:18,160
anything about it

1582
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,440
that could happen tomorrow and that

1583
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,720
would be

1584
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,400
revolutionary i think that's great even

1585
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,400
though it wouldn't really tell us just

1586
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:26,319
like turning in your old beat beater car

1587
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,440
too you know if you're not really

1588
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,880
crashing it you're just like you know i

1589
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,880
don't need this version of this probe

1590
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,240
anymore i'm just going to leave it out

1591
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,760
in the desert i mean nobody lives out

1592
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,520
here i'm just going to leave it out here

1593
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,359
and i got i got the new model i'm using

1594
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,359
right now so you know you guys can have

1595
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:42,240
it if nathan's donating cars i'm

1596
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,520
probably interested but uh but anyway um

1597
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,680
rather if you would i realize that you

1598
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,520
you have protected your identity for a

1599
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,760
reason but would you like to share like

1600
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,400
your background without giving away uh

1601
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,040
any any classified information or

1602
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,599
anything about lose hair care products i

1603
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,760
told you we're going to protect that so

1604
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,599
that comes full circle whose hair care

1605
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:05,359
is uh off the table i can't can't do

1606
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,670
a computer engineer i have a masters in

1607
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,599
a computer engineering uh do computer

1608
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,280
programs that's part of the reason why

1609
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,920
i'm uh phil affinity with our buddy big

1610
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,920
west yes i love it

1611
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,079
hey you know god bless the guy man the

1612
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,480
guy is really smart so i'm not gonna

1613
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,200
okay so um all right do you want to do

1614
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:29,040
the mick west now we'll do you want to

1615
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,240
do it

1616
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,839
are you guys ready for that

1617
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,520
i mean whatever you guys want yeah i'm

1618
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,640
free to about eight yeah yeah i i i well

1619
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,240
i want to get rat rather's take on it so

1620
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,079
i know where you stand and i know when

1621
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,440
you get started

1622
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,760
i gotta block out ten minutes to you

1623
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,520
know for you to so i want to get rather

1624
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:47,280
stay cause i'm less familiar with rather

1625
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,670
i think mick west is awesome i love him

1626
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,280
i can see how he's abrasive to the

1627
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,160
community but i feel like we

1628
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,079
he he's almost like him and metabunk are

1629
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,960
almost like a uh an algorithm an ai

1630
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:09,280
where you can give them a set of videos

1631
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:11,119
or a set of evidence and it will come

1632
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,640
back and say

1633
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,960
here's a prosaic explanation for it it's

1634
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,319
not necessarily going to tell you that

1635
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,040
that prozac explanation is right but

1636
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,640
it's telling you that you know we have

1637
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:22,160
more work to do we haven't we haven't

1638
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,440
nailed it down we haven't proved it

1639
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,359
definitively yeah and i think that no

1640
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,040
matter what makes true beliefs on the

1641
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:28,720
subject are i think that's a very

1642
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,520
valuable thing role that he plays

1643
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,319
i love that um and i'm totally okay with

1644
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,079
that oh wow i can see you guys better

1645
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:39,190
so

1646
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,119
i mean my my

1647
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:44,160
uh i appreciate skepticism

1648
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,520
um i

1649
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,680
i don't kind of like when someone like p

1650
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:49,119
is on my leg and said oh look it's

1651
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:50,079
raining

1652
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,200
so

1653
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,200
from my standpoint you know i heard i

1654
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,680
got to hear steven cambion

1655
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,359
and have a really really good

1656
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,960
appreciation

1657
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,960
for someone who was intellectually

1658
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:02,319
honest

1659
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,599
who approached it who made assertions

1660
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:08,079
and then was able to

1661
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:10,480
then say you know what i was wrong about

1662
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,599
that

1663
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:13,520
and and maya culpa and actually do it

1664
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,680
with the person there and then say you

1665
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,280
know i i wanted to check into your

1666
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,040
background because i didn't believe you

1667
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,799
and i thought you were making things up

1668
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:22,160
and i said that

1669
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,680
and i was wrong

1670
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,240
and the problem that i get from mick

1671
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:28,480
west is he portrays himself

1672
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,000
as this very impartial very scientific

1673
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,160
analyst of the topic

1674
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,400
and in fact i think there's significant

1675
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,559
evidence that he's not that

1676
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:41,520
he is approaching this from a standpoint

1677
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,400
of

1678
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,319
not hey let's

1679
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,799
let's see what this is let's analyze

1680
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:48,559
everything that we have

1681
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:51,040
and let's come to a conclusion

1682
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,960
and then let's talk about it

1683
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,440
he's approaching it from a standpoint of

1684
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,599
this can't be real and whether or not i

1685
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:59,200
believe it's real no one's going to know

1686
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,559
what he actually believes just like you

1687
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,680
don't know what i believe and i don't

1688
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,200
know what you believe

1689
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:05,040
but you just know what i tell you and i

1690
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,720
and i know what you tell me

1691
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:09,520
but he approaches it from

1692
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:13,760
i am going if they if lou tells me

1693
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,559
when i interview lou that he brought in

1694
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,640
electrical optical engineers

1695
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,880
aeronautical engineers i brought in

1696
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,000
aviators

1697
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:24,319
i brought in all the experts and by the

1698
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,520
way

1699
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,720
this is not single source reporting that

1700
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:30,160
we're doing here

1701
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,040
i was using a variety of different data

1702
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,200
that that has not yet been shared with

1703
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,359
the public to come to the conclusion

1704
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,920
that it's this

1705
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:42,400
and to that mick just says

1706
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,599
okay

1707
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,040
lou all right so let's talk about the

1708
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,559
chilean air force

1709
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:49,359
well i i agree with mick 100 of that and

1710
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:52,559
that because i i feel that the um appeal

1711
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,039
to authority has no place in this

1712
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,960
discussion or i mean maybe it has some

1713
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:58,079
place but

1714
01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,839
well then we're not having it we're then

1715
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:02,000
we don't have shows there's there's no

1716
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:03,039
tic-tac-toe

1717
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,950
i mean there's there's two levels to it

1718
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,640
right like like i take all that

1719
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,400
information like you do and i come to

1720
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,760
the same conclusions as you do that

1721
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:20,000
something real happened there but when

1722
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:21,280
we were talking about you know being

1723
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:23,200
able to say definitively

1724
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:24,559
that this was

1725
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,000
something from another dimension or

1726
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,950
he never said that he never said that

1727
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,640
yeah well no yeah

1728
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:35,839
true but that's that's that's the true

1729
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:38,799
butt is that it's a parallax or it's a

1730
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,440
glare or it's at one point he said it

1731
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,520
was a bird and then when they said well

1732
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,400
you know on link 16 everybody was seeing

1733
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,799
it and on their iff everybody's seeing

1734
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,960
this and it's not a bird and and it's

1735
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,960
not a bird and then he has to say okay

1736
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:55,200
let's go to the parallax so what what

1737
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,280
i'm saying intellectually honest is to

1738
01:03:02,950 --> 01:02:59,520
say okay you know what i was proven

1739
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:02,960
wrong on that point and okay but instead

1740
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,160
he'll go yes but but but but but

1741
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,079
well so so first of all i think that

1742
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:10,319
mick does admit when he's wrong when

1743
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:12,079
when you actually you know

1744
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,760
break down to the actual specifics of

1745
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:15,760
the arguments and show that he's wrong

1746
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,079
he he will correct himself uh he hasn't

1747
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,280
i've he has interviews with lou and he

1748
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,760
didn't do that in any of the cases that

1749
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:25,920
they talked about and we just agreed

1750
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:27,599
that nobody has more information on the

1751
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,839
topic than he does well are you talking

1752
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,359
about like the the navy video

1753
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,680
specifically yes because so so in that

1754
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:35,359
in that conversation with lou i think

1755
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,599
the issue is you know lou elizondo is

1756
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,520
saying yeah we had these all these

1757
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,680
people look at the data

1758
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,160
the the real data the full data that

1759
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,240
mick doesn't have and they none of us

1760
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:48,000
are human right

1761
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,839
and mick is saying hey

1762
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,400
okay but

1763
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,000
based on the evidence i have i have

1764
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,160
these questions can you answer those

1765
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,480
questions for me saying no i can't

1766
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:59,839
answer the questions all i can say is

1767
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:00,640
that

1768
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,799
did is he went on to the next topic he

1769
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:09,039
digressed her and said yes yes yes and

1770
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:10,960
then he went on to the next topic he

1771
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,599
never said oh okay oh so you're saying

1772
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,440
that you brought in

1773
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,760
the act the actual aviators you brought

1774
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,920
in the wizzos you brought in the pilots

1775
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,359
you brought in the radar operators you

1776
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:23,280
brought in the electro-optical engineers

1777
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:24,839
you brought in the aeronautical

1778
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,839
engineers and you and you had a complete

1779
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:29,760
picture that includes maybe even

1780
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:32,480
geospatial data and you came to okay so

1781
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:33,520
maybe

1782
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,680
but he never says that he never and

1783
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,200
that's the problem is it's

1784
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:41,920
intellectually dishonest to not

1785
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:44,000
acknowledge when someone tells you

1786
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,200
certain information that you don't have

1787
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:49,920
i i i i would disagree that it's

1788
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:51,280
intellectually dishonest i'd say that

1789
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:57,270
mick is definitely coming out with a

1790
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,720
different set of assumptions in all of

1791
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,480
us right and i think mick is kind of

1792
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,839
coming at it with you know i can't

1793
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,079
believe anything that i can't

1794
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,079
independently verify right and i think

1795
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,240
that that is a valid position to have

1796
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,400
especially in an argument like this it's

1797
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:12,960
not necessarily the physician i have but

1798
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:13,680
i

1799
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:31,920
how we can get to the truthfulness of a

1800
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:34,000
claim right and so

1801
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,160
in the in the court of law for example

1802
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,760
you know you can be in court and you can

1803
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,599
provide you know a pretty good good set

1804
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:41,520
of evidence it may not be everything

1805
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,880
that you want to see if you've ever

1806
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,319
served on a jury you know how this can

1807
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:46,160
be very frustrating you're expecting you

1808
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,599
know to see all this great evidence and

1809
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,839
you don't get you know much of anything

1810
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,680
you get a little bit and so you but you

1811
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:53,520
have to make a decision and based on

1812
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,119
some of that information you know many

1813
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,359
of us can reasonably conclude you know

1814
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:58,960
that it there is

1815
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,880
there's not a prozac explanation right

1816
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,880
but but to your point and i think i

1817
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,720
think it's a very a great point very

1818
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,960
valid point that you know it depends on

1819
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:09,200
the standard that the threshold of of of

1820
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:10,559
evidence that that you're that you're

1821
01:06:13,589 --> 01:06:12,559
going to require and i think

1822
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,599
if

1823
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:15,200
you know that the challenge we're going

1824
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,920
to have this is going to be true

1825
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,280
as the government

1826
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,359
assuming the government opens up the

1827
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,359
doors a little bit more and lets more

1828
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,680
private citizens

1829
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,760
come into the conversation private

1830
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:29,440
scientists come into the conversation

1831
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:31,599
and absorb and analyze this data that

1832
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:33,839
they have collected you know we're still

1833
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,160
going to have issues of credibility and

1834
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:38,079
trust and and how much

1835
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:39,920
information is enough

1836
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,960
to convince everyone else that this is

1837
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:45,599
in fact whatever it it happens to be you

1838
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,640
know and i i don't know what it is

1839
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:49,920
i know that's what i'm saying is we

1840
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,079
don't know no i know and and i

1841
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,079
understand that you know

1842
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,559
he's saying i know it's a bird i agree

1843
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,039
an f-18 is a bird which is

1844
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,760
so beyond the realm

1845
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:03,520
you want you want him to be a little bit

1846
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,640
more public uh in his in in issuing a

1847
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,720
caveat that maybe he doesn't have all

1848
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,200
the information and until he does have

1849
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:13,280
all the information that based on what

1850
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:15,920
he has right now this is this is what he

1851
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,559
can claim it to be and and that that's a

1852
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,640
position that he's sort of staking out i

1853
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,480
i personally don't think you know i i'm

1854
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:25,119
on that side of it but i understand why

1855
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,520
he i think i understand why he's holding

1856
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,119
that position

1857
01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,280
but yeah i do too is because he wants to

1858
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,359
make money and have followers that's the

1859
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,880
reason why he holds that position well i

1860
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,039
i feel like but i feel like that that

1861
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,720
sort of paints him with an ulterior

1862
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,240
motive that

1863
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,240
may not really be there i don't know

1864
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:44,319
that's that's my assertion well tell me

1865
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,000
what other guy is going to come on

1866
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,520
podcasts and critique and faa pilots not

1867
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,280
only his flying

1868
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,440
but his operation of a sensor system

1869
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,160
which he did with chris lato

1870
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:58,160
and what credentials does he have to do

1871
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,520
that

1872
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,359
i i i mean i don't think you need any

1873
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,119
credentials to do that everyone is well

1874
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:05,680
that's how right 100

1875
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:08,799
wrong when you say that you i

1876
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,760
have absolutely zero place to criticize

1877
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:13,760
their flying of that aircraft and their

1878
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,480
operation that sensor and mick is way

1879
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,319
less qualified than i am and i'm not

1880
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,640
qualified

1881
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,120
you don't have that you have nothing to

1882
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:24,880
be able to say about you unless your

1883
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,480
title includes fa-18 instructor pilot

1884
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,960
f-18 flight examiner

1885
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,799
in the absence of that

1886
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,159
well i think we can judge whether or not

1887
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:36,080
he's out over here

1888
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,960
well yeah

1889
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,400
all due respect you know i i

1890
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:40,560
agree that you know all these people are

1891
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,960
have immense training of doug awesome

1892
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,400
things and we owe them a depth of

1893
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,159
gratitude but on the other hand i think

1894
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,480
that we do them a disservice to say that

1895
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,839
they're you know infallible and

1896
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,440
unquestionable right would that would

1897
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:53,359
not say that i'm saying

1898
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,440
you me mick are not qualified

1899
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,000
based off this 41 second video to

1900
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:02,159
critique either his operation of the

1901
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,120
aircraft which he did with chris lato

1902
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:07,839
that he see he doesn't know how stupid

1903
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,640
he sounds when he does that

1904
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:13,440
i know that he thinks he sounds smart to

1905
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:15,679
his followers when he says that but if

1906
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,640
you ask chris when i bring troy on tr i

1907
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,239
even asked troy this question the other

1908
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,759
day i said

1909
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:24,239
would you critique an fa18 guy and he

1910
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,600
said hell no

1911
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:27,120
and they better not critique what we're

1912
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:29,359
doing because they have absolutely no

1913
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,400
training

1914
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,120
not only in what we're doing

1915
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:35,759
in our mission set but in our systems

1916
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,640
and how we fly it and mick off of that

1917
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,960
video to say that he just takes his

1918
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,799
credibility that he did have with me and

1919
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,120
he goes down again

1920
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,719
right well i mean look the

1921
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,719
dunning-kruger effect is very real but

1922
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,400
it doesn't mean that

1923
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,920
if you're if you fall prey to the

1924
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,359
dunning-kruger effect that you're always

1925
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,400
wrong right so i think that uh you know

1926
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,520
in the case of mick you're correct 100

1927
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,440
that he does not have the depth of

1928
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,159
expertise that any of these individuals

1929
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,320
have when it comes to those platforms

1930
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:08,480
when it comes to operating those uh you

1931
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,920
know air aircraft and what have you

1932
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:11,760
doesn't have that i don't ever i i mean

1933
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:13,120
i don't follow the guy a lot but i'm

1934
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,480
assuming he's not

1935
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,480
saying that he is on par with their

1936
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,880
level of expertise he knows enough he

1937
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:20,960
made mistakes in his flying and his

1938
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:23,600
operation the system he cannot make that

1939
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,400
state you can't make that statement and

1940
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,480
have credib you can make that statement

1941
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,480
but you can't retain credibility

1942
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,159
because you you

1943
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,760
you're looking at a snippet of video

1944
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,840
right and and mick west is saying here

1945
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,440
are the possibilities and one of the

1946
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,120
possibilities is that

1947
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,880
the pilot

1948
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:42,960
is mistaken in what he said he was you

1949
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,159
know what what he was doing and

1950
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,560
i i i think that i could i can see why

1951
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:49,760
you might you know interpret that as

1952
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,760
disrespect and take offense to that but

1953
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,000
i i don't think that there's offense

1954
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:56,400
meant and i think that that's a

1955
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,159
i mean you kind of have to do that right

1956
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,000
you have to look at all the possible

1957
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,640
possibilities but that again you say

1958
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,880
that and i'm trying to explain to you

1959
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,320
what it's like

1960
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,840
to to to

1961
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,159
be inside the military flying community

1962
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,719
that if i made one statement like what

1963
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:14,719
he just did me

1964
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:16,960
then they my credibility

1965
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,679
with my teammates somebody would would

1966
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,920
say something analogous to sit down and

1967
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,440
shut up you don't know what you're

1968
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:25,679
talking about and i would literally like

1969
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,320
a ball up like that and you would never

1970
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,120
even go into a ready like you wouldn't

1971
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,120
see dave framer come to a briefing room

1972
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:35,280
our our tactics briefing room at

1973
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:38,800
pre-brief and stand up and say a word

1974
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:39,840
right but that's the people i don't

1975
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,960
think that's the game i don't think

1976
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:42,480
that's a good culture but that's the

1977
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,920
culture but it doesn't mean it's right

1978
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,440
though right so i guess

1979
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,719
i'm going to explain to you

1980
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,239
he knows

1981
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,000
that he doesn't know

1982
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,640
and i know from the from the afzok

1983
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:54,719
community when it comes to the fighter

1984
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,520
world i don't know

1985
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,600
mick doesn't know

1986
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,600
that he doesn't know i mean but here's

1987
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,960
the other kind of point that i want to

1988
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,880
make is that

1989
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,640
none of these pilots know what they're

1990
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:08,400
seeing right because it's literally uh

1991
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,840
unidentified

1992
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,679
object you know what they're paying them

1993
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:13,120
for no

1994
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:14,880
no we're not we're not paying them to go

1995
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:16,960
to find out what these unidentified

1996
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,120
objects are we're not trying to training

1997
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,280
them to identify things that

1998
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:24,000
are from another planet or another

1999
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,600
that that's just it

2000
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,080
that see you've actually made my point

2001
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,800
is we're paying them to identify aerial

2002
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,159
threats in the air and their

2003
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,640
capabilities versus ours so when they

2004
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,120
see something that doesn't fit just like

2005
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,120
the radar we talked about how their

2006
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,239
their their the rt the sp the signal

2007
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,960
processing was confused by the signal

2008
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:46,320
that came back

2009
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,920
because they don't know it and so when

2010
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,360
they look at and say that doesn't look

2011
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:51,600
like anything that i've ever seen

2012
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,320
and i take not only not only his word

2013
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,560
for it i've also got kevin day backing

2014
01:13:02,830 --> 01:12:59,199
him up and the e2 hawkeye and gary

2015
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:02,840
voorhees and choctou with that gentleman

2016
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,480
chad so that's a lot of people that

2017
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,080
don't know what they're doing but mick

2018
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,400
does mick knows

2019
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,560
well yeah i mean like i think when

2020
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:14,159
you're talking about mick critiquing

2021
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,679
chad underwood's flight you're talking

2022
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:17,440
about him losing lock on that nimitz

2023
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:18,880
video right

2024
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,320
he has absolutely no place at all and by

2025
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:24,400
the way dave fouch gave away the whole

2026
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:27,360
thing is that he engaged mick engaged

2027
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,159
him to try to get the uh the information

2028
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,320
on the atlier so that he could build

2029
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,560
arguments and then dave fouch broke from

2030
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:36,560
mick west because he knew that he was

2031
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,199
using him to make arguments against his

2032
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,000
own navy family and i got news for you

2033
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:43,760
you can read the manual all day i was a

2034
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,239
maintainer for eight years on aircraft

2035
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:48,400
before i start flying and i can tell you

2036
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,360
i knew

2037
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:51,840
nothing until i started flying in

2038
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,400
operating systems in pressure

2039
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,480
uh in combat under pressure et cetera et

2040
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,920
cetera et cetera

2041
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,360
right and then there is one there is a

2042
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:00,960
difference between

2043
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,920
understanding the capabilities of a

2044
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,560
of a machine on paper and and

2045
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,199
extrapolating out what it can do

2046
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,920
where its sort of weaknesses are you

2047
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,760
know how it may misinterpret whatever it

2048
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,840
is and actually operating the machine

2049
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:17,520
itself and having

2050
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,159
hours of of machine operation under your

2051
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,159
belt knowing what what you know what

2052
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:24,960
what it is capable of all that said

2053
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,040
you know you could still be wrong right

2054
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,360
you know and i guess like for me if i

2055
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:31,440
can if i can take this conversation to a

2056
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,679
specific uh if i can divert it to a

2057
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,679
little bit of a different place

2058
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,000
and that is toward this when i think you

2059
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,840
touched on this rather and that's the

2060
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:41,679
issue of authority right so

2061
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:42,640
we

2062
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:46,000
where

2063
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,040
our

2064
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:49,199
willingness to appeal to authority is is

2065
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:51,679
lower than it may have ever ever been

2066
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,640
right so

2067
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,960
um our our culture

2068
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,880
uh at least in the u.s and the west you

2069
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:57,920
know

2070
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,199
we're we're less likely to um agree

2071
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:03,600
you know to what the the state is is

2072
01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:05,600
saying to us or less likely to go along

2073
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,360
with that and i don't think that that's

2074
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,120
unique to us and this is happening you

2075
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,640
know through around the world we're less

2076
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,120
likely to take the position the word of

2077
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,760
our of our you know elected officials as

2078
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:16,800
gospel

2079
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:19,040
and so where i'm struggling with with

2080
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:22,400
that related to this topic more broadly

2081
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:23,199
is

2082
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,000
can talk about in the you know openly

2083
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,199
where does the truth need to come from

2084
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:36,800
in order for us to

2085
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,920
collectively go oh yeah i mean like i it

2086
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,760
came from this guy and it came from this

2087
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:43,360
person and it came from the state as

2088
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,199
well so all these people are saying it

2089
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:47,920
so now i can actually get along with it

2090
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:50,800
if it just comes from you know congress

2091
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,600
or lou elizondo like that's not going to

2092
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,440
be good good enough if it just comes

2093
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:57,360
from mick west that's not going to be

2094
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,800
good enough what is

2095
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,360
you know what is the critical mass of

2096
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:03,280
people and voices that we need to be

2097
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:04,960
able to reach in order for this to be a

2098
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:08,640
legitimate topic of conversation

2099
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,920
yeah i mean i think he makes some good

2100
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,080
points i think that uh if anyone just

2101
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,760
you know comes out and says something i

2102
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:15,120
think that you're we're gonna be in that

2103
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:16,880
particular uh i think if you know

2104
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,760
government or anyone actually releases

2105
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,600
definite i guess yeah definitive

2106
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,040
evidence is

2107
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:25,440
hard to know if that is even possible

2108
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,960
right so right

2109
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,640
yeah i mean you're gonna say you know

2110
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,360
it's a deep deep state it's a it's a cgi

2111
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:34,000
fake it's a you know insert whatever you

2112
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,120
want to say

2113
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,199
uh it's going to take a lot of of

2114
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:39,040
evidence to convince people and that i

2115
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:40,480
mean i guess for me

2116
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,080
you know to answer my own question it's

2117
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:43,679
sort of like you know you're going to

2118
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:46,320
need a council of people that are that

2119
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,199
that are trusted in different places in

2120
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,760
society you know so you need scientists

2121
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,600
with great reputations you need elected

2122
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,440
officials with great reputations of both

2123
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:57,120
political parties or many political

2124
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,640
parties you're going to need

2125
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,719
entertainers you're going to need uh you

2126
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:02,400
know theologians you're going to need

2127
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,760
philosophers you're going to need all

2128
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:06,000
these people

2129
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,679
you know you got to get them get get

2130
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,120
those influences y'all you got to get

2131
01:17:13,350 --> 01:17:11,440
them in the break man when lebron says

2132
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,360
it's real it's real

2133
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:14,880
you know you got to get them in a room

2134
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:17,120
with with something and

2135
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:19,199
walk them through this information and

2136
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,960
get give them an experience and have

2137
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:23,199
them be able to validate it with their

2138
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:25,360
own eyes their own ears you know and

2139
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,960
then they can come and tell that story

2140
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:28,080
to the world

2141
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,440
yeah you mentioned your own eyes and

2142
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,960
known ears i almost wonder if it's going

2143
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,920
to take

2144
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:32,640
i

2145
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,120
there's a one sensor that can detect

2146
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:39,280
them right like yeah maybe there is some

2147
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,719
piece of technology that we can just

2148
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:42,159
look in the sky and we'll realize that

2149
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,760
they're here

2150
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,840
all along you know and right right just

2151
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:46,880
put a little lens in front of your

2152
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:49,280
binoculars and boom there they are

2153
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:50,800
that might be what it takes though right

2154
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,840
to have everyone literally believe it

2155
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:55,679
yeah i i mean

2156
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:58,000
i i think i don't want i want to make

2157
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:01,600
sure i don't i don't deify anybody uh

2158
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,880
not the pilots or or or you know the

2159
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:07,600
navy or the government but i think

2160
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:10,080
they are the de facto reason why we're

2161
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:11,199
all here

2162
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,239
50 of these podcasts right now would not

2163
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:17,520
exist were it not for what elizondo

2164
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:19,440
melon all those guys getting that

2165
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,040
release getting the government to say

2166
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,840
it's real ucr doesn't exist this show

2167
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,679
doesn't exist at least in this format

2168
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:27,600
i'm probably talking mma again

2169
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,640
uh

2170
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:30,960
et cetera half the shows on ufo twitter

2171
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:33,679
don't exist we exist because

2172
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:36,159
somebody that we all apply

2173
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,440
a at least a signifi i don't want to put

2174
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,360
a number value on it but a significant

2175
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:44,239
amount of credibility came out

2176
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:47,120
and said we saw this and we didn't see

2177
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:49,120
it with just mark one eyeballs and i'm

2178
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:51,040
just trusting dave

2179
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,199
it also there was the video from chad

2180
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,520
and also there was a testimony of alex

2181
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,239
somebody when she speaks

2182
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:01,199
if she if she told me matzah was made

2183
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,640
out of

2184
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:04,239
you know

2185
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,719
like shale stone i would believe her i

2186
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:08,480
mean she just has an enormous

2187
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,400
amount of credibility and then you go to

2188
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,760
you know the other testimony you put

2189
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,360
that all together and you go there's an

2190
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,800
event that definitely happened here they

2191
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,719
definitely saw something that nobody can

2192
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:18,560
figure out that is displaying

2193
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:20,800
characteristics that to me

2194
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:23,760
every time i think about it it blows my

2195
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,159
mind having gone through flight school

2196
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:28,400
and talked about this stuff with my

2197
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:31,679
colleagues for 20 some odd years it just

2198
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,199
talking about it with troy the other day

2199
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,360
blew my mind because i had to explain to

2200
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,000
troy what the hell tic tac was and what

2201
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,000
and what some of the numbers associated

2202
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,320
with it 28 000 feet to 50 feet in less

2203
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,560
than a second you know omnidirectional

2204
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,560
thrust you know we don't have anything

2205
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,400
that even has anything more than

2206
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:51,040
monodirectional thrust and and i happen

2207
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,640
to be aware of some of the systems

2208
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:54,320
whereby weapon systems were buying right

2209
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,199
now

2210
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,080
so it's it blows my mind so that's

2211
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:00,800
literally almost unbelievable yeah it's

2212
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,280
it really is it's an incredible event so

2213
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,600
do i care what mick says no i really i

2214
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,520
don't care if he ever believes it for

2215
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,280
the rest of his life or if he came out

2216
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:11,600
tomorrow and said i believe it all

2217
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:14,480
i don't even think i would turn my head

2218
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:15,360
okay

2219
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,719
i don't care what he thinks or what he

2220
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,719
believes so we'll take a village though

2221
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,800
it'll take all of us i think

2222
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,040
i know well yeah i mean some people are

2223
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,199
waiting for him to say he believes i

2224
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:27,600
don't really care about that i think if

2225
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,000
we get bogged down in whether or not

2226
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:32,080
something's happening here we're going

2227
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,159
to waste energy when we could be trying

2228
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:36,239
to figure out what you said the

2229
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,159
interesting things you brought out about

2230
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:40,800
it's it just it's exhibiting human

2231
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:43,040
characteristics is that because they've

2232
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:44,159
studied us

2233
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,760
is that because uh that perhaps it has

2234
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,760
garnered some human intelligence and

2235
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:51,760
applied it to these drones that it's

2236
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:53,920
apparently flying around some people

2237
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,000
hypothesize that they've created an

2238
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,159
environment inside it where it's not

2239
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,560
where the acceleration doesn't make them

2240
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,480
go like like us we would i've told

2241
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:04,320
people all three of us would look like

2242
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,080
pizza sauce if you took the ladle of

2243
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,080
dominoes and and slurring it against the

2244
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:10,159
wall that would be you me and rather

2245
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:12,239
uh if if we were in that thing and it

2246
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,199
accelerated like that um so there's so

2247
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:17,760
much to talk about about the phenomena

2248
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,600
without getting bogged down whether or

2249
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,440
not they're there something's here i

2250
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,639
don't know what the hell it is i don't

2251
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,480
know where it's from something's here

2252
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:25,679
let's talk about that rather than

2253
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,679
wasting time oh i don't know maybe it's

2254
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:30,000
a parallax i mean it's like that's a

2255
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:31,520
waste time with that stupidity at this

2256
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:32,480
point yeah

2257
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,440
well

2258
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,760
as and and taking that i mean so rather

2259
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,280
i mean what what are some things that

2260
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:39,840
are on your radar that you are

2261
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:43,360
you know queuing up for you know future

2262
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:44,560
content you know what are some areas

2263
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,719
that you're looking at and exploring

2264
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,320
that you feel are kind of maybe

2265
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,400
tangential to to the phenomenon or at

2266
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:53,120
least spark that same level of interest

2267
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,800
yeah i've been um you know one thing

2268
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:56,400
that's really interesting to me is uh

2269
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:59,120
gravity waves and gravity wave astronomy

2270
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:01,600
which is kind of a pretty new field in

2271
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,120
science uh we you know have the ligo and

2272
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,960
virgo sensors that were you know just

2273
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:08,880
built in the last decade or so that are

2274
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:10,880
literally detecting gravity waves from

2275
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,760
black hole mergers across the galaxy and

2276
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:16,320
we have plans of putting a another

2277
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,159
one laser-based one in space which will

2278
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,920
be a space-based gravitational

2279
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:22,000
observatory and it's essentially like

2280
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:23,840
getting a new sense to explore the

2281
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,600
universe up until now we've been only

2282
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:27,600
doing it visually looking at stuff

2283
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:30,080
gravity waves are almost like sound in

2284
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:31,679
space they're literally ripples that we

2285
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:32,400
can

2286
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,159
hear essentially

2287
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,480
and yeah i think that there's

2288
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,159
gonna be a lot of interesting things

2289
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:41,040
that we learn from those we've already

2290
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,560
started there's

2291
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,480
the the observatories in space are these

2292
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:47,520
giant big ones there's also tiny quantum

2293
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:50,560
level gravity wave detectors that detect

2294
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,360
ultra high frequency gravity waves

2295
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:55,280
interesting and it's theorized that this

2296
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:58,159
would be a great communication method if

2297
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,199
you wanted to

2298
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:01,440
talk across a galaxy because gravity

2299
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:03,199
waves literally go through everything

2300
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:04,719
they're not you can't block them out by

2301
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,120
dust or planets or anything oh wow wait

2302
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:09,199
rather will you confirm or deny right

2303
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,110
i do not unfortunately okay different

2304
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:16,960
question another question will you

2305
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:19,120
confirm or deny

2306
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,159
that uh uh elon musk's order at

2307
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:24,400
starbucks is a vente

2308
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:26,080
light roast

2309
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:28,000
uh carmel macchiato

2310
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,679
100 confirmed

2311
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,520
okay all right see i knew we were going

2312
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:33,440
to get there nathan i knew we were gonna

2313
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,639
get there uh uh rather is is an engineer

2314
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,800
for spacex and he's working on the very

2315
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,560
latest technology yeah we're working on

2316
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,320
von neumann probes over there

2317
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:44,000
absolutely

2318
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,920
hey can you fix the autopilot please on

2319
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,000
the tesla i just i just wanted to divert

2320
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,600
your attention because this is really

2321
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,440
all i'm working on before i like drop

2322
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,520
diamonds

2323
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,440
so hey

2324
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,360
i really i really appreciate it man you

2325
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,800
don't have to tell us what you're doing

2326
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:01,120
i think it's really cool nathan is also

2327
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:02,560
secret in fact

2328
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:05,370
his name may not even be nathan

2329
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:09,840
[Laughter]

2330
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:12,639
you're making me question everything now

2331
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,960
yeah like did you see it like rather

2332
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:16,800
it's like i could say they might not

2333
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:24,390
they're sherlock holmes

2334
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:26,719
i love it i love it man

2335
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,440
dude for real man i i

2336
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,360
i don't know should we get in touch with

2337
01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,760
first of all have you guys asked anjali

2338
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:35,679
to come on the ucr or the singularity

2339
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:36,800
lab

2340
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:37,520
i

2341
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:55,600
yeah sure

2342
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:56,639
yeah okay

2343
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,000
all right bring uh if you would bring

2344
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,639
three liters of liquid iv yeah yeah

2345
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:02,719
with a bad idea from you yeah

2346
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:09,669
nathan's worried he's worried you're

2347
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,600
going to get gassed and like it's going

2348
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:13,679
to be like this wizard of oz phenomenon

2349
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,719
everything's going to know there's like

2350
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:16,320
bubble boy from science i think i might

2351
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:17,760
bring one of those along and there you

2352
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:18,800
go

2353
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,520
cool rather if i had like one of those

2354
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,199
things like sort of like the space guys

2355
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:27,600
have with the mask and the oxygen coming

2356
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:30,400
up to it and a helmet that would be so

2357
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,000
dope man okay would you bro shake if you

2358
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:36,320
met a being

2359
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,639
like the bro handshake you know you

2360
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,280
would if they weren't actively hostile

2361
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,199
to me yeah definitely yes

2362
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,360
okay well if it's a man though do you

2363
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,960
just like cut yourself i mean i don't

2364
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,320
know how does that work

2365
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,159
the manta is like eight feet tall i

2366
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:52,480
figured out like if you go and like

2367
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,400
shake that thing yeah there's gonna be a

2368
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,639
little bit of an anatomical issue there

2369
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:58,480
with where you might end up i talk a

2370
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,320
mean game but i'd probably be curled up

2371
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:03,600
in the corner screaming for my mom

2372
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:06,159
i think uh nathan what are your thoughts

2373
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:08,320
okay you're on the expo i'm sorry i was

2374
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,000
that was going to be the last question

2375
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,400
nathan if you're on the expedition what

2376
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,639
would be what's your plan at least i

2377
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:17,280
know you know every the first the plan

2378
01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:18,719
doesn't last first contact with the

2379
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,840
enemy i got that but what's your

2380
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:22,800
plan uh

2381
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:26,000
last in line is my plan just you know

2382
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,410
the ronnie james deal

2383
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:29,760
[Laughter]

2384
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,560
okay

2385
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:32,639
you guys tell me what you see up there

2386
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,880
you're hiding behind audrey like holding

2387
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,040
her shoulders and ducking your head i'd

2388
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:39,120
like to be second and last just in case

2389
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,880
so the person doesn't sneak up from me

2390
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,800
and grab me you know that's wrapped you

2391
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,400
nathan and then i'll be yeah okay

2392
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:46,159
perfect we'll we'll be a team rather i

2393
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:47,199
like it

2394
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:49,120
so if i'm like standing at the edge of

2395
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:50,960
the chamber and you're in front you're

2396
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:52,159
the front of the light shove me in the

2397
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,520
air rather like shoving me in the back

2398
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,120
falling forward and maybe they'll like

2399
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,360
they do some sort of a maneuver that'll

2400
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,440
be terrible man all right so you you

2401
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,199
would so so nathan you're basically

2402
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:05,040
saying you'd be terrified and you would

2403
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,040
want to be at the back of that gaggle i

2404
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:08,639
want as many options as possible that's

2405
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:09,290
what i'm saying

2406
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:11,440
[Applause]

2407
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:12,639
yeah

2408
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:15,040
that's what i'm saying okay all right so

2409
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:16,159
you're the kind of guy you don't have

2410
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,920
your back to the door at those italian

2411
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:19,840
restaurants uh it's kind of like god

2412
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,000
father okay i guess this is the

2413
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:24,719
opportune moment to ask rather okay

2414
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,520
rather bucket list item

2415
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:29,280
is for me

2416
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:32,480
and your friend luis jimenez to do a few

2417
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,520
lines of the godfather to the last scene

2418
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,440
with michael and fredo

2419
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,000
before fredo goes on the ill-fated

2420
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,639
little ride in in in the motorboat

2421
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,520
uh where where um you know basically

2422
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,520
he's telling frito fredo you're nothing

2423
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,199
to me anymore and

2424
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,880
and all this kind of thing you know so

2425
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:53,360
they they have that last interaction

2426
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:56,719
before fredo goes bye-bye i want to read

2427
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,400
at least a couple lines of that scene

2428
01:28:00,870 --> 01:28:00,080
with luis jimenez can you make that

2429
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,880
happen

2430
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:02,960
i think lou would be happy to do that

2431
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,360
more than he would do it

2432
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,400
oh my god me with a real actor

2433
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:10,480
on on this show reading lines with lou

2434
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,560
jimenez that i'm ser this is a bucket

2435
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,280
list item wow and i'm gonna play fredo

2436
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,840
he's michael corleone i'll i'll do what

2437
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,520
i can to make this happen okay all right

2438
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,440
brother i think think of like make a

2439
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,760
wish foundation for like meatheaded

2440
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:26,239
retired air force guys who used to be in

2441
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:27,440
special ed

2442
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,719
okay all right um thank you so much man

2443
01:28:35,750 --> 01:28:32,560
we really appreciate you coming having

2444
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,760
fun and uh and um sharing your views man

2445
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,159
it was a blast yeah i really enjoyed it

2446
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:40,000
enjoyed it it was really fun

2447
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,840
all right man um so we're going to be

2448
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,920
watching you first of all tell everybody

2449
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,520
where they can find your stuff i think

2450
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:47,040
you're going to be on later tonight

2451
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,920
right

2452
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:50,159
ah no i got a some some video game

2453
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,520
matches later tonight that i got to

2454
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:53,280
check out

2455
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:54,400
now we're talking

2456
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:55,520
yeah i'm just kidding

2457
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:57,920
all right so please tell everybody yeah

2458
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,679
be squiddy on twitter and uh rather be

2459
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:01,920
squidding on youtube check me out

2460
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,480
awesome that is awesome man nathan any

2461
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:06,960
final words to my man

2462
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:08,960
rather be squid

2463
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,800
this guy is the real deal folks uh check

2464
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:12,719
out his channel he's got excellent

2465
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,719
content we are we were just beyond

2466
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,800
honored to have you on the show rather

2467
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:18,239
and uh we look forward to future

2468
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,440
conversations

2469
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,199
yeah i appreciate it anytime

2470
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:23,760
i'm starting my master's in hopes of

2471
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:26,320
being as smart as rather like two years

2472
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:31,030
and i'm still not going to be as smart

2473
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,719
as him because the curriculum is going

2474
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,000
to be nowhere near like computer

2475
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:36,639
engineering so uh thank you so much man

2476
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:38,800
namaste we really really appreciate

2477
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:40,719
having you on and i hope you enjoyed it

2478
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:43,840
half as much okay i did yeah thank you

2479
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:46,400
rather be squinting ladies and gentlemen